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Weapons of Vietnam Part II by GangsterLovin Weapons of Vietnam Part II by GangsterLovin
Seeing as how today was Veteran's Day, I couldn't think of a better time to submit the second part of my dormant "Weapons of Vietnam" project.:D This in recognition to those valient soldiers who carried some of these weapons into war within the last century.:flagus:

The development of new assault rifles and intermediate rifle ammo had come into play during the Vietnam Era, so submachine guns may have been considered obsolete. Assault rifles can do everything a submachine gun can, and a whole lot more; they can lay down huge volumes of fire if need be, they can take out a target at much greater distances, and are more accurate. However, the close-range effectiveness of submachine guns made it so that they were used frequently during the conflict in Vietnam, by both U.S. and North Vietnamese forces alike.

American Submachine Guns

Thompson M1A1: The Thompson is easily recognized as the most popular American submachine gun. The original smallarm was designed by John T. Thompson, a veteran from the first World War. The Thompson M1A1, which is a heavily-modified variation of the older, notorious Thompson M1928 "Tommy Gun," first saw use in World War II, and proved to be a highly effective weapon. The M1A1 was a more simplified version of the older Tommy Guns, in order to reduce production cost during the war. However, the Thompson M1A1 had some improvements over its predecessor, such as a rear sight guard. The Thompson M1A1 saw extensive use after WWII in the Korean War, and still saw limited use in the early stages of the Vietnam War. Like all other American submachine guns, the M1A1 was chambered for the mighty .45 ACP cartridge, and fired from a 20 or 30-round box magazine. The gun was select-fire, blowback-operated and cycles at about 700 rounds per minute. The M1A1 was not without its flaws; it was fairly heavy and required a firm hold to control on full-auto, and it was still a rather costly weapon to produce.

M3A1 "Grease Gun": During World War II, the U.S. Ordnance Corps requested a much simpler, cheaper submachine gun that could be produced in vast quantities, as an alternative to the Thompson M1A1. The original M3 prototype was developed by Frederick Sampson and George Hyde at the Inland Division of General Motors, and was dubbed the T20. The T20 prototype competed against several other experimental submachine guns, and come out on top. The military officially adopted the T20 as the M3, but the original M3 had some reliabilty issues when used in combat, most notably with the crank-style charging handle. The M3A1 improved upon the design by the elimination of this mechanism and replaced it with a small cocking device in the bolt body. The M3 and M3A1 submachine guns earned the nickname "Grease Gun" because they strongly resemble the oiling implement used by an auto mechanic. During the Vietnam War, the M3A1 mostly outfitted tank and vehicle crews, as a personal-defense weapon. Like all other American submachine guns, the M3A1 chambered the .45 ACP, but the M3A1 could also be rechambered for 9mm ammo by replacing the barrel, bolt, and installing a magazine adapter that used British STEN magazines. Some other interesting features about the M3A1 was that it had an oil container in the hollowed grip for cleaning the weapon, and the retractable wire stock acted as a cleaning rod, a magazine loading tool, and a wrench to dissemble the gun. Like the Thompson, the M3A1 was blowback-operated and fired from an open-bolt, and was fed 30-round box magazines. The M3A1 is a very simple weapon, much easier to produce than the Thompson, and fired full-auto only with an average cyclic-rate of about 450 rounds per minute. Even though this gun was full-auto only, its low rate of fire allowed the shooter to squeeze off single shots with a steady trigger pull.

Ingram MAC-10: Okay, I probably know the most about this gun, hands down! I've declared this weapon as my favorite machine pistol, and I had to include it. The MAC-10 was designed by Gordon B. Ingram, and originally manufactured in Powder Springs, Georgia. It saw limited use in Vietnam at the end of the war by United States special forces, as well as CIA agents stationed in Vietnam. The MAC-10 was intended to replace the M3A1 as the personal defense weapon for tank crews, but the military did not like the gun for its incredibly small size and furious rate of fire. The MAC-10's rate of fire, a blistering 1100 rounds per minute, was much too fast for any military operation in Vietnam. Its small size, coupled with its large bore .45 ACP ammo and high rate of fire, made it really hard to control on full-auto. A wrist-strap was conceived to be fitted on the fore end of the gun to help reduce recoil and muzzle climb. When used in combat, outfitting the gun with a suppressor was often preferred; not only did a suppressor help to reduce noise in a thick jungle environment, but it also increased the overall length of the gun and could be used as a makeshift foregrip to help steady the recoil. At close range combat, the MAC-10 is highly-destructive, and quite capable of tearing up an organic target, and that's thanks to its high rate of fire and large-bore ammo. This gun was very simple in design, and can be recognized for its small size and distinguishable retractable folding-stock. It fired from an open-bolt, and it was made of stamped metal parts with a charging handle made of coiled lead. It was capable of emptying a 30-round magazine in just 1.5 seconds.

North Vietnamese and Vietcong Submachine Guns

Shpagin PPsh-41: Okay, here's one for all the Call of Duty fans. Most of the weapons used by the NVA and Vietcong were supplied by the Soviet Union, and this one was no exception. The PPsh-41 may very well be considered the most popular Soviet submachine gun. The PPsh-41 was designed by Georgi Shpagin, and was used extensively during World War II by the Red Army. Like most other submachine guns developed at the time, the PPsh-41 was designed to be a simple, mass-produced weapon. At first, the Red Army was reluctant to adopt this new weapon, as many traditional Soviet soldiers held on to the belief of individual marksmanship, and weren't very interested in a weapon that simply sprayed ammo without much accuracy. But if there was one type of weapon that could be made quickly and immediately fielded to soldiers, it was submachine guns. The "Pepeshaw," as it came to be known as, helped the Soviets win the "Great Patriotic War," and retired out of military service soon after. But during the Cold War, the Soviet Union donated large quantities of their PPsh-41s to ally countries, so it saw major use in Vietnam. The gun used the powerful, high-velocity 7.62x25mm Tokarev pistol cartridge, and it was select-fire, with the selector located in the trigger housing, and cycled at approximately 900 rounds per minute. The original 71-round drum magazines for the PPsh-41 were unreliable and wouldn't feed properly unless the serial numbers matched the gun's, but this was resolved with the development of 35-round box magazines. Overall, the PPsh-41 was a sturdy, reliable weapon, and offered alot of firepower and high magazine-capacities.

K50M: Along with the Soviet Union, China was also the NVA's main source of weapons. The Chinese Type 50, which was a licensed copy of the PPsh-41, was supplied in large numbers to the North Vietnamese and Vietcong. The K50M was converted from the Type 50 submachine gun to a more lighter, maneuverable, compact weapon. The K50M was assembled from other available submachine parts at local Vietnamese workshops; the wooden stock was replaced with a pistol grip and a retractable wire stock taken off of MAT-49 submachine guns, and was fed the same 35-round magazines used by the PPs-43 submachine gun. It could also be fed 71-round drum magazines from the PPsh-41, as long as the stock was fully-retracted. The barrel jacket was shortened, and a new front sight was also installed. The K50M operated exactly the same as the PPsh-41, and used the same 7.62mm Tokarev ammo.

Some of that information was researched at the last minute, I wanted to get this submitted exactly on Veteran's Day.^^; It's also important to note that these guns aren't drawn to scale.;) Anyway, I hope some of you had the patience to read through all this information, and enjoyed it too.:) I plan on making a second part for the submachine guns, just because I didn't have enough space to include all the ones I wanted.:steaming: But overall, I'm quite satisfied with the results.:nod:

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mxtxm Featured By Owner Oct 3, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
This is sweet. I like it better than the drawings I did, and I only did the first 4.
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GangsterLovin Featured By Owner Oct 5, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Thanks! :) Glad you like them, I'm very surprised at how popular these deviations have become over the years, hehe. I'm working on a new one right now, I'll be talking about the pistols and sidearms used in the war.
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DarkArtistKaiser Featured By Owner Nov 22, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
They were still useing WW2 era guns at the time?
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EdGarcia Featured By Owner Mar 18, 2013
A fair number of them were still laying around from WWII and the 1950's. And many were rescued by early advisers to the conflict. The U.S also shipped a bunch of M-1 carbines to arm indigenous troops. The M-3 was popular with Spec-forces.
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GangsterLovin Featured By Owner Nov 23, 2011  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Yeah, some of them! :D Alot of the more infamous ones like the M1 Garand or the BAR were phased out at that time though. I believe the Thompson became obsolete early on in the war, I'm led to believe the Grease Gun saw more extensive use than the Thompson. From what I understand, submachine guns really weren't frontline weapons for the U.S. military at this point. They were still used, but were fallen out of favor to new assault rifles and light machine guns (from what I understand, I'm no expert). Of course the 1911A1 was still the standard sidearm of the time, even after the development of the Smith & Wesson double-action M39 9mm. 1911A1 is an AMAZING pistol, definitely a timeless classic.:D
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Super6-4 Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
Awesome-loved your Part I, and gonna check out Part III next. Great research as always, and thanks for saluting our vets.
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GangsterLovin Featured By Owner Nov 23, 2011  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Thank YOU for your patronage, my friend! :) Of course, gotta love the details. Haha, that's right, I submitted this on Veteran's Day 2009.
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XYZExtreme13 Featured By Owner Oct 31, 2011
PPsh-41 with the drum mag has the mobility of an SMG and the ammo of the LMG which makes it one of the best weapons. This shows that Soviet Russia is among the best when it comes to warfare.
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GangsterLovin Featured By Owner Nov 1, 2011  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Oh absolutely! Gotta love the thought and care put into the design of Soviet weaponry. They were definitely one of the most amazing military powers the world has ever seen.:nod: Even in the modern world, these weapons still have a tremendous impact on global conflict.
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Bruiser235 Featured By Owner Feb 28, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
Your attention to detail is excellent. The informative text is superb. I'm learning things I didn't know about the weapons of this conflict.
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GangsterLovin Featured By Owner Mar 14, 2011  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
It's really fascinating stuff, huh?:) I know I learned quite alot about some of these weapons, and the war as a whole, from doing this research in my free time! Thank you so much for your patronage, I got the next installment in the works right now.;)
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Bruiser235 Featured By Owner Mar 14, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
An idea, definitely more complex so maybe not. Uniforms of the Vietnam War.
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GangsterLovin Featured By Owner Mar 16, 2011  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Ooh, that's actually a very good idea! :D I like that alot, I'll have to look into that after I get done with the smallarms project.:hmm:
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Bruiser235 Featured By Owner Mar 16, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
The Vietcong I can imagine would be several pages, at least. They mostly wore disguises anyway.
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yekim595 Featured By Owner Jan 31, 2011
cool :P
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GangsterLovin Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2011  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Thanks! =)
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SkullGamerz Featured By Owner Dec 3, 2010  Student
missing the m8
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GangsterLovin Featured By Owner Dec 16, 2010  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Ehhh, no, hehe!;P Hehe, thanks for the fun feedback. :D
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SkullGamerz Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2010  Student
srry for spam this is part2 its on part1 lol *blind*
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GangsterLovin Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2010  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Oh, hehe, no problem! ;) Things happen.
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SkullGamerz Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2010  Student
lol
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PuppetMaster456 Featured By Owner Jul 22, 2010
did we use mp5's?
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GangsterLovin Featured By Owner Jul 24, 2010  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
At this point in history, no. To be honest, the MP5 hadn't seen widespread use until way after the Vietnam War. The earliest variation, the MP54 was in use with German Federal Police and their border guard.

Now the Heckler and Koch G3, the weapon system that the MP5 was derived from, I heard it saw limited use in Vietnam, pressumably by special forces. I'm not entirely sure.^^; Thank you for this fun question!:)
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PuppetMaster456 Featured By Owner Jul 25, 2010
thank you for answering this fun question!
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GangsterLovin Featured By Owner Jul 28, 2010  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
:)
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IggyHazard Featured By Owner Nov 12, 2009  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Very detailed! :w00t:

[link] PPSh-41 in action in Oblivion Lost. :XD:
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GangsterLovin Featured By Owner Nov 12, 2009  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I'm glad Iggy approves!:D

:XD:Hahaha, I've seen that video before. I loved the remixed Doom music! By the way, was the PPsh-41 from Oblivion Lost in 9x19mm?:hmm:
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IggyHazard Featured By Owner Nov 13, 2009  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Yes, just like the German conversions except the description says they were converted by the Ukrainian military for Zone use. 9x19 is prevalent in the Zone. 7.62x25 only appears in certain mods like L.U.R.K.
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GangsterLovin Featured By Owner Nov 13, 2009  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I'm not surprised the Germans had PPsh-41s converted to 9mm.:hmm: After all, it was one of their favorite weapons to take off of fallen Red Army soldiers during the siege of Stalingrad: [link]

What other 7.65mm Tokarev-chambered weapons do they have in the L.U.R.K. mod?:D
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IggyHazard Featured By Owner Nov 14, 2009  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
That I know of, other than a PPSh-41, there's a CZ 52.
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GangsterLovin Featured By Owner Nov 14, 2009  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
A CZ-52??:excited: I love those pistols!:heart:
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Dapling Featured By Owner Nov 12, 2009
Wow what a giant blovk of texts, I don't undertand much of it XD

I like how you drew the guns though, I actually recodnize some of them go me!

I love the detials, and theyre colored too, very nice 8D
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GangsterLovin Featured By Owner Nov 12, 2009  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
You really don't know the first thing about automatic weapons do you?:giggle:... Or do you?:o Well, either way, that's why you have a friend like me!:w00t:

Oh wow, you actually recognize some??:wow: Which ones? Tell me!!:excited: You know, that MAC-10 was used all the time in Tomb Raider, it was my favorite weapon from the original!:heart: So powerful!

I love your enthusiasm, thank you!:)
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Dapling Featured By Owner Nov 13, 2009
Nah well I'm not much for remembering guns, I like remember the sorts of guns XD almost.

I recodnize the thrid one uhh and that's about it, most guns look the same to me.

Your welcome : )
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GangsterLovin Featured By Owner Nov 13, 2009  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Oh, well good for you then!^^ You play alot of games with guns, afterall.

The third one? You mean the one in the middle? You mean the Ingram MAC-10? Feel free to take a look at the name! That gun is seen in a TON of movies and videogames!O_O I could make a huge list on movies, TV shows, and videogames that have that gun.(Miami Vice!^^:heart:) However, in most movies and videogames I've seen the MAC-10 in, it's always depicted unrealistically. Characters will carry two of them and shoot them with ease, and they don't fire as fast, or they're not as powerful, it irks me to now end!

At least in Tomb Raider, the MAC-10 is one of the more powerful weapons!*w*

Hehe, sorry, I just really love the MAC-10.^^;
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Dapling Featured By Owner Nov 14, 2009
Yeah I guess that's the one, I think I saw it in Army of tewo, i wouldn't know any of the guns in TR I just know her twin pistols and like... the rifle cuase I love that one : O


hahahahah aw
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GangsterLovin Featured By Owner Nov 14, 2009  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
:hmm:If I remember correctly, the MAC-10 (or was it a MAC-11?:XD:) appeared in Army of Two. But like I said, MAC-10s and their "little brother" the MAC-11 appear in alot of movies and videogames. My other favorite weapon from the Tomb Raider games is the traditional 12 gauge shotgun with the pistol grip!:excited:

Hehehehe, you know how you say your a fangirl to certain game characters? Well I'm a real fanboy when it comes to the MAC-10!!:love: That's one of my most favorite guns.:heart:
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notrace Featured By Owner Nov 12, 2009  Hobbyist Digital Artist
sweet guns^^
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GangsterLovin Featured By Owner Nov 12, 2009  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Hehehe, thanks! Which one of these is your favorite?:excited:
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notrace Featured By Owner Nov 13, 2009  Hobbyist Digital Artist
the thompson^^
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GangsterLovin Featured By Owner Nov 13, 2009  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Thompson ftw!:w00t: My dad almost bought a fully-automatic Thompson model 1928 when he was in the Airforce. I wish he did!T__T
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notrace Featured By Owner Nov 14, 2009  Hobbyist Digital Artist
yeah lol that would be nice
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handgunhero123 Featured By Owner Nov 12, 2009
Fun fact for the Thompson: The North Vietnamese and Viet Cong had other variants of the Thompson. They had the M1928 Thompson. During WW2 the Americans supplied the Chinese with weapons to fight the Japanese occupation and the M1928 was an example of this. However after WW2 these Thompsons went to Korea to fight the same gun from it's original owner. Then after Korea the Chinese gave the North Vietnamese the design plans for the M1928 Thompson which in turn was given to the Viet Cong. The Viet Cong then manufactured it in jungle workshops and rechambered it for the Soviet 7.62x25mm pistol round.

Also the PPSH41 indeed saw heavy use, as it was the standard issue gun to the Viet Cong until the AK47 was given to them by North Vietnam to replace their PPSH41s and SKS Simonovs.

I quite like this work, what do you have planned next? I would like to help give you information about these weapons for you again. :)
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GangsterLovin Featured By Owner Nov 12, 2009  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Indeed, that is a fun fact!:D :hmm:I'm pretty sure I heard that somewhere before, though. I'm not surprised that the North Vietnamese had their Thompsons rechambered for the 7.62mm Tokarev round, they had a ton of that stuff!:wow:

:XD:Hehehe, thus proving my point about how assault rifles made submachine guns obsolete!=P With an AK47, you get the power and range of an SKS, and the volume of fire of PPsh-41, all in one glorious, durable package.;P

Thank you for all the advice you gave me prior to drawing this.:handshake: I mentioned in the text that I plan on continuing with submachine guns; I'm going to include the Carl Gustav M45, the Smith & Wesson M76, the Colt Commando, the PPs-43, and the modified MAT-49.;)
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handgunhero123 Featured By Owner Nov 12, 2009
I know you heard it from somewhere, I was the one who told you it prior to this. ;) Also for your next piece of work with more SMGs I would like to help give you some information about them that I know of, and also it would be nice if you included some of the lesser known SMGs like the Owen, F1, Sten Mk II and Sterling L34A1.
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GangsterLovin Featured By Owner Nov 13, 2009  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
:XD:Yeah, you're right, you told me before!;P Sure thing, I'd love more info from you.

Listen, I'm sorry to say this, but I was only planning on doing some of the primary weapons used by the United States and North Vietnamese forces, not any of the weapons used by the Australians. From what I understand, all the SMGs you just mentioned were used by the Australian army, right?:hmm:

Well, I'll tell you what, since you've been a good help, after I get all the US and NVA weapons out of the way, I'll draw some of the guns used by the Australians as a little "bonus.";)
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handgunhero123 Featured By Owner Nov 14, 2009
Well the Sten was used by the Green Berets, they often used it over the Carl Gustav M/45, usually with a silencer. But yeah, the Owen, F1 and L34A1 were used by the Aussies mainly.
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GangsterLovin Featured By Owner Nov 14, 2009  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Okay, so you're saying both the Sten and the Carl Gustav M/45 both saw some use by the Green Berets? If that's the case, I'll be happy to include the Sten in my next piece.

Like I said before, I'll eventually do guns like the L34A1, F1, and the Owen for an Australian page.;)
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handgunhero123 Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2009
Another one I know of too, the Uzi. It was used by the Special Observations Group due to it's compact short-med range automatic capabilities, and often with a silencer to go with it.
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GangsterLovin Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2009  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
You must know that I'm limited to the number of weapons I can draw per page. After all, I even said when I started this project that I wouldn't include every weapon used in the war.;)

Thanks for the help.
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